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joe biden does not. because he believes that a faith that has so little regard for the poor and the marginalized is no faith at all. script tour teaches us nobody is perfect, neither paul ryan nor the vice president. but in mathews gospel christ warns us about being deceived. and the test is not what you say, it's what you do. watch out for false prophets, they come to you in sheep's clothing. but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. by their fruit, you will recognize them.
joe biden does not. because he believes that a faith that has so little regard for the poor and the marginalized is no faith at all. script tour teaches us nobody is perfect, neither paul ryan nor the vice president. but in mathews gospel christ warns us about being deceived. and the test is not what you say, it's what you do. watch out for false prophets, they come to you in sheep's clothing. but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. by their fruit, you will recognize them.
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people who thought that joe biden was kind of a rude guy before the debate, they still think. that reinforced it. do you really think that the 17 undecided voters left in iowa or ohio who saw that debate and went that joe biden, man, he sure is mean. i'm not voting for him. >> it probably didn't have a great impact. actually, i do think the debates have mattered an awful lot. "new york times" today nate silver, hardly a conservative reporting that really the race has taken a very different trajectory. that bounce after the first debate is continuing on. there has been about a four or five-point shift in the race following that debate. i don't think like some people on the right that that is permanent or that that is a lock. but the race changed fundamentally after that debate. and the president's job next tuesday is see if he can change it back. >> kevin, what does the president to v to do on tuesday to do that? >> the president has to decide if he still wants to be president. i mean that bizarre performance. >> he needs the fire in the belly. >> that bizarre performance signa
people who thought that joe biden was kind of a rude guy before the debate, they still think. that reinforced it. do you really think that the 17 undecided voters left in iowa or ohio who saw that debate and went that joe biden, man, he sure is mean. i'm not voting for him. >> it probably didn't have a great impact. actually, i do think the debates have mattered an awful lot. "new york times" today nate silver, hardly a conservative reporting that really the race has taken a...
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paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything about the race. i think that they both laid down the markers and, again, for their own parties, mostly. the vice president energizing democrats and for paul ryan showing people he was on that stage and not overrun. the vice president clearly dominated the proceedings. >> we have seen paul ryan a lot for those of us who cover politics. we have seen him on press conferences and capitol hill, never in the big lights. how did he do from start to finish? >> you know, again, we were reading the leaves a little bit. i thought he started out nervous. he reacted
paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything...
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the republican base doesn't like joe biden going in. they're not going to like joe biden going out. it doesn't change the race in any way, shape, or form. i don't want to sound too cynical, my guess is most people who remain undecided at this point probably were watching some combination of orioles/yankees, nfl, something else. >> we'll see. here is what john dickerson wrote in slate today about the vice president performance. biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his passion though he might have been over the top. it was possible for a viewer to conclude that he was simply passionate about the middle class. take a look at joe biden early in the debate going after romney on his 47% comments. >> but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a speech in washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than gover
the republican base doesn't like joe biden going in. they're not going to like joe biden going out. it doesn't change the race in any way, shape, or form. i don't want to sound too cynical, my guess is most people who remain undecided at this point probably were watching some combination of orioles/yankees, nfl, something else. >> we'll see. here is what john dickerson wrote in slate today about the vice president performance. biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending...
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i wish we had joe biden, instead of close captions, you had joe biden interpreting everything that paul ryan said. it would be great if we had joe biden comments. it's important to not let these candidate get away showing that their actions don't -- they are playing politics all the time. >> yeah. and another favorite moment for me, dana, was the jack kennedy moment when ryan struggles to defend romney's tax plan. >> how is that? >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these preferences for middle class workers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it has never been done before. >> it has been done a couple times before. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think
i wish we had joe biden, instead of close captions, you had joe biden interpreting everything that paul ryan said. it would be great if we had joe biden comments. it's important to not let these candidate get away showing that their actions don't -- they are playing politics all the time. >> yeah. and another favorite moment for me, dana, was the jack kennedy moment when ryan struggles to defend romney's tax plan. >> how is that? >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still...
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that was a moment for joe biden to be folksy joe biden and say, guys, everybody out there, who do you trust? we're leveling with you here. it was sort of that plain talk joe biden. i think it worked for him. >> it relates to the gaffe in joe biden when he looks in the camera and says something, this is what he really means. he always says what he really means, even if it's inappropriate. talk about appropriate, paul ryan must have drank a gallon of water during the debate. it was so strange, it seemed every other cutaway, at least in the first half of the debate he's drinking down some water. >> as a quasi marathoner, i think it's probably something he's used to doing. there's one thing about taking a sip of water and another thing to be doing the, you know, rinse and spit in the dentist chair routine. he wasn't sort of drinking. he was swishing it around and having it be noticeable. it wasn't just what he was doing, it was when he was doing it. if you notice within the first 30 or 40 seconds of walking out on to the set, he immediately reached for the water. i don't think anybody rea
that was a moment for joe biden to be folksy joe biden and say, guys, everybody out there, who do you trust? we're leveling with you here. it was sort of that plain talk joe biden. i think it worked for him. >> it relates to the gaffe in joe biden when he looks in the camera and says something, this is what he really means. he always says what he really means, even if it's inappropriate. talk about appropriate, paul ryan must have drank a gallon of water during the debate. it was so...
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but on the other hand it will be up to a lot of the debates in the future, especially joe biden to get out there and say this is what paul ryan stands for. you cut a third out of medicaid, you're putting a lot of families and elderly people out on the street. that is not rhetoric. that is how bad it would be. you have to demonstrate that. you might say it's bigger than big bird. >> and let's remember that after this debate, mitt romney is still on the losing side politically of the medicare issue which the obama campaign knows and they've got a new ad about that now. let's watch that. >> victims. dependent. that's what mitt romney called 47% of americans, including people on medicare. and what about his plan for you? romney would replace guaranteed benefits with a voucher system. seniors could pay $6,000 more a year. a plan aarp says would undermine medicare. you're no victim. you earned your benefits. don't let mitt romney take them away. >> well, krystal, that's what happens with someone who says my job is not to care about those people. >> it's devastating. and as we've seen from ro
but on the other hand it will be up to a lot of the debates in the future, especially joe biden to get out there and say this is what paul ryan stands for. you cut a third out of medicaid, you're putting a lot of families and elderly people out on the street. that is not rhetoric. that is how bad it would be. you have to demonstrate that. you might say it's bigger than big bird. >> and let's remember that after this debate, mitt romney is still on the losing side politically of the...
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joe biden has been on these big stages. it's my first time. but what he can't run from is president obama's record. they're just offering more of the same. >> if president obama is sweating tonight's debate, he's not showing it. >> i think joe just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> mitt romney's debate performance last week re-energized his campaign, but our brand new swing state polls show it didn't change a lot of minds. 92% of voters in ohio and florida made up their minds before the debate. 91% in virginia. overall, the dial did move slightly in romney's favor in florida and virginia, the race is virtually tied. but president obama leads ohio by six points in the nbc news "wall street journal" maris poll. joining me to talk about all of it, e.j.dion and dana milbank. gentlemen, good morning. remember the old commercial never let them see you sweat? dana, how much pressure is joe biden under tonight? >> he's been at this an awfully long time. and he's sort of an old pro
joe biden has been on these big stages. it's my first time. but what he can't run from is president obama's record. they're just offering more of the same. >> if president obama is sweating tonight's debate, he's not showing it. >> i think joe just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> mitt romney's debate performance last week re-energized his campaign, but our brand new swing state polls show it didn't change...
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the problem was joe biden is a really good debatetor. he's been a six-term senator. he was named vice president in twoit largely on the strength of his debating performances. it isn't like he had won a bunch of primaries. yet there's a funny thing that happens with joe biden in between as people got an impression of him and he comes out and what biden is particularly good at and what ryan is unable to counter is biden wields authority well. i've known bb for 35 years. >> i was there. >> i was in the room. and that for a guy who looks even younger than he is like ryan was devastating. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about romney's 47%. >> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. 82% of them pay their payroll taxes and other taxes, and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47% this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's a
the problem was joe biden is a really good debatetor. he's been a six-term senator. he was named vice president in twoit largely on the strength of his debating performances. it isn't like he had won a bunch of primaries. yet there's a funny thing that happens with joe biden in between as people got an impression of him and he comes out and what biden is particularly good at and what ryan is unable to counter is biden wields authority well. i've known bb for 35 years. >> i was there....
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the debate between paul ryan and joe biden. president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate, "time" magazine released these photos. it triggered what was called a dumbbell debate. >>> a search on google images with the phrase completely wrong brings up mitt romney. google says there's no partisan politics here. he used the phrase about his 47% comments. >>> california congressman was debating when things got testy. the rhetoric heated up and sherman got physical. before things escalated into a wrestling match, a police officer stepped in and the debate wrapped up with no injuries. that's your morning
the debate between paul ryan and joe biden. president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and...
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joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected should those that believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu
joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me...
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whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table for the presidential one. >> what i found interesting about this, it was substantive. i think if you really listened to what they said, and you didn't have to go back to the transcript, though i would agree there were parts that were pretty complicated. could you follow if this was your business, if you're a regular american, it might have been tougher, but you saw very clear distinctions between the policies of these two candidates and the men they were representing. yet, there is a lot of talk about the gesticulating. >> hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business because of th
whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table...
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only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across specific points that they want to getting across. >> again, watching the live pictures -- rather the tape that just came in of paul ryan arriving at the location. i want to pivot to the polls. when we look at those numbers, this new round of polling showing that the president falling short of that 50% marker that so many watch specifically in florida and virginia. and democrats, their enthusiasm already seems to be suffering in the wake of last week. what will numbers under 50 do to the enthusiasm surrounding tonight's debate as w
only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across...
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paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is as good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from oregon. >> and he said he does no longer support you for that. >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. this idea -- >> who disavows it. >> this idea -- >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> well, it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it malarky. >> thanks for the translation. >> the idea if you heard that little soliloquy on 47% and you think he just make a mistake, i think you're -- i got a bridge to sell you. >> with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very w
paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is as good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from...
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joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s
joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human...
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joe biden should always be joe biden. no one can ever beat you at your own game. my mother, a southern mama, used to tell me all the time it's only when you try to be someone else that you fail. and that is the accusation against governor romney. that is perhaps why friends of mine who are conservatives don't totally buy into mitt romney. you may make mistakes being yourself, but that you a then tisity that is needed, that is palpable, that can be felt through a television screen, it has to come from you being you. so i marvel at the fact that someone with joe biden's experience, someone like joe biden who has been in debates and won many debates, is being given advice to be himself. no one can ever beat you when you are yourself. so if that is the advice, he should certainly take it. >> can i ask you to refix your microphone because when you were speaking it was jumping and jumbling against your cheek and our viewers are not as able to hear you as clearly as they'd like. >> they gave christmas e matthe good mike. >> this is a 62-year-old veteran versus the 42-yea
joe biden should always be joe biden. no one can ever beat you at your own game. my mother, a southern mama, used to tell me all the time it's only when you try to be someone else that you fail. and that is the accusation against governor romney. that is perhaps why friends of mine who are conservatives don't totally buy into mitt romney. you may make mistakes being yourself, but that you a then tisity that is needed, that is palpable, that can be felt through a television screen, it has to...
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joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not really having to answer too many tough questions makes him a little rusty despite his years of debate experience? >> well, it made the president rusty. i think it could do the same to joe biden. although he has been working very hard. at the convention he had put in 60 hours of debate prep. what he's been paid for for the last four years comes down to this moment tonight. biden, his mind is not an orderly one all the time, shall we say, but he's -- but he'll be tough. he's going to be defending an entire tradition and history of the democratic party because really
joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not...
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the problem is joe biden is a good debater. a six-term u.s. senator, the sixth youngestist senator ever elected to the body. vice president in 2008 largely on the strength of his debating performances. not like he won a bunch of primary and a funny thing happens with joe biden in between where people got this onion inflected impression of him as a guy washing his transam in the white house parking lot and what biden is about at and what he is unable to counter is he wields authority well. i have known bb for 35 years. i was best friends and in the room and that for a guy that looks even younger than he is like ryan was devastating. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about romney's 47%. >> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. 82% of them pay their payroll taxes and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the
the problem is joe biden is a good debater. a six-term u.s. senator, the sixth youngestist senator ever elected to the body. vice president in 2008 largely on the strength of his debating performances. not like he won a bunch of primary and a funny thing happens with joe biden in between where people got this onion inflected impression of him as a guy washing his transam in the white house parking lot and what biden is about at and what he is unable to counter is he wields authority well. i...
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where joe biden and paul ryan will meet. krystal ball is heading there after the show today and will be there live for us tomorrow. the face-off is stark differences of the two men on display. ryan fancies himself a numbers guy, of course. biden is beloved for feared for saying what he thinks and then the generation gap between the two. think of it this way. when biden was elected in 2002, r -- ryan wasn't -- >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime. experienced debater. this is, i think paul's first debate. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> so amusing. >> we always joke about saying the bar is load for your own side. that might be the lowest. my own thoughts heading in to this, i have been saying, you know, all week that i just basically expect biden to turn in the performance that obama did not turn in. >> sure. >> do not miss the openings that obama missed going after the missing details of romn
where joe biden and paul ryan will meet. krystal ball is heading there after the show today and will be there live for us tomorrow. the face-off is stark differences of the two men on display. ryan fancies himself a numbers guy, of course. biden is beloved for feared for saying what he thinks and then the generation gap between the two. think of it this way. when biden was elected in 2002, r -- ryan wasn't -- >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice...
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i think that joe biden can get the joe mentum, if you will, for the obama campaign by going in there and reminding people what mitt romney and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the president showed up last week for a news conference asking the questions but he was being presidential and didn't engaged his opponent. mitt romney showed up for a debate. i think the next time you see president obama, he'll come ready for a debate. >> here is he on the tom joyner radio show. he said he was too polite in last week's debate. let's listen to the president. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think it's fair to say, i was just too polite. because, you know, it's hard to keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. the good news is, that's just the first one. >> is tha
i think that joe biden can get the joe mentum, if you will, for the obama campaign by going in there and reminding people what mitt romney and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the...
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if i were joe biden, i'm not joe biden, i'd go after a couple of things hard. how does an 82-year-old or 92-year-old man, get on their bicycle, the car, rent a cab, they go out and find an insurance policy to cover them? there's no such insurance company that's going to insure them. this thing about a voucher is fantastic, literally fantastic. secondly, personhood. do you really mean to say that a fertilized human egg, whatever your philosophy or religion, should have the rights of property, should have the rights of liberty? what does that mean except it takes the mother's role and casts it to the sideline. she mass has no more choices. once it's a person it's murder. do you really believe that, mr. ryan? i would challenge him on these very fundamental positions he's taking. >> maybe you should xerox that and slip it to one of biden's guys. >> both sides can see it. both sides can see it. >> in the meantime, the polls, we had a little graphic up that showed pole ryization. because so many people have made up their minds, do you bank on this debate tonight bein
if i were joe biden, i'm not joe biden, i'd go after a couple of things hard. how does an 82-year-old or 92-year-old man, get on their bicycle, the car, rent a cab, they go out and find an insurance policy to cover them? there's no such insurance company that's going to insure them. this thing about a voucher is fantastic, literally fantastic. secondly, personhood. do you really mean to say that a fertilized human egg, whatever your philosophy or religion, should have the rights of property,...
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you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great opportunity for the vice president tonight is the more he highlights the ryan budget and the devastating cuts he makes to programs that benefit hard working, middle class americans, that's going to help democratic candidates across the country because every republican incumbent voted for that budget. >> susan, it's interesting. i was asking dan senor about it. you know the ryan budget is going to come up and there are differences between the romney budget and the ryan budget. not major ones, but enough that there are some dis
you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great...
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>> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1 million question. >> steve, thank you for your time tonight. >> sure. >>> catch steve on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. >>> still ahead, was there an intervention in the romney campaign? news tonight about a big fight inside team romney. >>> rudy giuliani, think about it, there is only three, a noun, a verbal and 9/11, nothing else. i've been negotiating since you were in congress. if you all had been around enough -- maybe i've been around too long, they forget all the wonderful things i've done -- but all siding aside -- walk around in my neighborhood or go up to scranton with me. these pe
>> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1 million question. >> steve, thank you for your time tonight....
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joe biden or paul ryan? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast your vote. >>> and let's take a look at the news nation saying after yesterday's gut check. does the bird ad remind you of the president's weak debate issue or bring up romney budget cuts? 11% of you said obama's debate performance. 89% say, hey, big bird reminds you of romney budget cuts. tomorrow i'll be anchoring live from kentucky for the big vice presidential debate. some of my guests, oh, chris matthews. wow. big book there. former rnc chair steele and robinson. and salon.com's erin carmon. "the cycle" is up next. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts, more events, more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with the citi card. [ crowd cheerin
joe biden or paul ryan? go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast your vote. >>> and let's take a look at the news nation saying after yesterday's gut check. does the bird ad remind you of the president's weak debate issue or bring up romney budget cuts? 11% of you said obama's debate performance. 89% say, hey, big bird reminds you of romney budget cuts. tomorrow i'll be anchoring live from kentucky for the big vice presidential debate. some of my guests, oh, chris matthews. wow. big book...
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junior says, biden looks ready. adjo says, joe is going to do what he does best. tell it like it is. and we told you about this photo of paul ryan pumping iron in the new issue of "time." well, we decided to have a caption contest. wilfredo's caption, no time for facts. it's muscle time. we want your caption. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends and logon tonight to tell us what you think during the debate. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >>> it's less than three hours until the biden/ryan debate and they may spar over a topic that wasn't brought up in last week's presidential debate. women. for the gop, women's issues are not their strong suit. case in point, wisconsin state lawmaker who has been caug
junior says, biden looks ready. adjo says, joe is going to do what he does best. tell it like it is. and we told you about this photo of paul ryan pumping iron in the new issue of "time." well, we decided to have a caption contest. wilfredo's caption, no time for facts. it's muscle time. we want your caption. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends and logon tonight to tell...
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paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow. we done the have to wait till tuesday. >> right. >> the fact that there's no unanimity of agreement like last week. last week everybody knew what happened, democrats, republicans alike agree, it had not been president obama's best night. last night both sides are defending their guy and i think it was probably close to being a quote, unquote, tie. but it doesn't really matter if it doesn't show up in the polls, four, five, sitch days later, a week later. i suspect we're not going to see any long-term vice presidential debate boun
paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow....
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i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >> identical number. that's a wonderful thing to be teed up for vice president biden, and he can also just come at him on the issue of entitlements generally. paul ryan is somebody who apparently saved the survivor benefits that he got from social security, used tm to go to a good college, and now has been a long-time advocate of privatizing social security. >> i just wish joe biden would at some point ask the qu
i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which...
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do you expect joe biden to come out swinging? >> i do. i mean, i think -- first of all, i think he's a pretty good debater. doing it for a long time. he's relatible, quick on his feet and likable. >> you're not playing the expectations game, are you? >> no, i just -- no. i think it's silly of us to discount joe biden making gaffes as of late. but what i would say is i think it's important. i think joe biden will come out and try to make up ground for barack obama and we'll see how it plays out. paul's a smart guy and will do well. >> good to have you on the program. thanks so much. >> thanks, chris. >>> speaking of debate, gentlemen, i have a clip of "saturday night live" i have to play. watch. >> is there anything more exciting than joe biden thinking it's up to him to get the lead back? it's tivo time. a 50% chance he'll come out with the shirt off. probably covering himself with animal fat to make himself harder to grab. >> i watched that like four times over the week. kept playing it back and forth and back and forth. i thought it was
do you expect joe biden to come out swinging? >> i do. i mean, i think -- first of all, i think he's a pretty good debater. doing it for a long time. he's relatible, quick on his feet and likable. >> you're not playing the expectations game, are you? >> no, i just -- no. i think it's silly of us to discount joe biden making gaffes as of late. but what i would say is i think it's important. i think joe biden will come out and try to make up ground for barack obama and we'll see...
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the president is not joe biden. you know, he's not going to be that demonstrative but certainly we can expect him to be more aggressive. he leaves tomorrow morning for another debate camp, training camp, if you will, three days in another swing state. he's not going to be far away, in williamsburg, virginia, and he'll go directly from there to the debate next tuesday night. what white house officials will only say about how any adjustments that the president is making last night on the plane, a senior official telling reporters governor romney is trying to hide a variety of his positions and we're going to make sure the american people understand what he would actually do if he's president, martin. >> good luck with that. nbc's mike viqueira. thank you, as always. stay with us. the week's "top lines" are coming up. go! here it comes! right in the numbers. boom! get it! spin! oh nice hands! thank you, as always. my favor! oh! [ male announcer ] share what you love, with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're
the president is not joe biden. you know, he's not going to be that demonstrative but certainly we can expect him to be more aggressive. he leaves tomorrow morning for another debate camp, training camp, if you will, three days in another swing state. he's not going to be far away, in williamsburg, virginia, and he'll go directly from there to the debate next tuesday night. what white house officials will only say about how any adjustments that the president is making last night on the plane, a...
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welcome to the joe biden show, paul ryan. the well-behaved 42-year-old seemed look i can a spectator as the volume ubl vice president delivered a forceful, bordering bombastic counterattack against a surging gop ticket during thursday's vice presidential debate. >> one thing was the rude performance by vice president. >> you thought it was rude? >> it was rude. and paul was nice and polite. it was paul. the vice president didn't have a plan as the president doesn't have a plan. both vice president biden and president obama have a real problem. they have empty trhetoric. for vice president biden, it was a tactic to appeal to their base, the occupy wall street crowd because he was trying to overcompensate for what -- you know, for president obama's poor performance a week ago. >> do you believe that the romney campaign has let paul ryan be paul ryan? >> absolutely. >> one of the things that we -- that they promised when ryan was brought on the ticket, that there was going to be some heart truths. what was a hard truth that you
welcome to the joe biden show, paul ryan. the well-behaved 42-year-old seemed look i can a spectator as the volume ubl vice president delivered a forceful, bordering bombastic counterattack against a surging gop ticket during thursday's vice presidential debate. >> one thing was the rude performance by vice president. >> you thought it was rude? >> it was rude. and paul was nice and polite. it was paul. the vice president didn't have a plan as the president doesn't have a...
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joe biden has the opportunity to tell the truth. what mitt romney will do to the middle class in this country. had this may not be a make or break moment for the president and his campaign, but you have to agree that it is a chance for the vice president of the united states to change the tone and the focus of this campaign. not a game-changer, but a course correction. people that i spoke with on friday in ohio were disappointed in the president's debate performance. it's ironic that the same attitude was portrayed on two different locations at memorial university today and also florida international university. people are puzzled why the president didn't come out strong. they were expecting more. comments came to me like we're out fighting for the president, fighting for every vote, and the other night it didn't look like he was fighting for us. what does this mean? it means every stump speech is going to be recorded and reviewed over and over again. this means that the american people are digesting who wants to be president of the
joe biden has the opportunity to tell the truth. what mitt romney will do to the middle class in this country. had this may not be a make or break moment for the president and his campaign, but you have to agree that it is a chance for the vice president of the united states to change the tone and the focus of this campaign. not a game-changer, but a course correction. people that i spoke with on friday in ohio were disappointed in the president's debate performance. it's ironic that the same...
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joe biden's performance. paul ryan was there. he made some points. you know, i mean he did the things that i think republicans wanted him to do, not back down, look like he was credible, could be the vice president of the united states. biden was this huge figure for good or bad depending on your perspective. i think he would have won the debate andrea on points, narrowly, had he just controlled a little bit more his off camera reaction. the two of you spend more time on television than i do but we all spend some amount of time on television. the camera can be on you when you're not talking. joe biden has been in politics and he knows that. to quote spinal tap turned the amplifier up to 11 when like 8 would have probably done the laughing and the kind of open disdain for paul ryan and paul ryan would be talking and you could in the split screen he would mouth that's not true. the democratic base loved it. but i thought he was a little too hot. >> stopped the hemorrhaging, fired the base. don't know what impac
joe biden's performance. paul ryan was there. he made some points. you know, i mean he did the things that i think republicans wanted him to do, not back down, look like he was credible, could be the vice president of the united states. biden was this huge figure for good or bad depending on your perspective. i think he would have won the debate andrea on points, narrowly, had he just controlled a little bit more his off camera reaction. the two of you spend more time on television than i do...
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when joe biden was a vp candidate in 2008 he wasn't well defined. now he has a larger than life persona to live up to. so does ryan. >> joe biden had a reputation in congress. >> now he's in the onion. >> steve schmidt says there is no sympathetic character up there with biden this time which is to say there is no sarah palin. biden will bring his proverbial none chucks and brass knuckles. >> i think literally. >> there was a lot of talk about the gender dynamics and how biden couldn't go on the attack. paul ryan is a young dude but has a congressional record he's basically semi sort of or not at all running on depending on the day. we know joe bind has a copy of "young guns". >> do you think he's reading it? >> i do. >> you have someone who's risen up through the ranks of the policy wong wonkery on the right and someone with a natural feel with people. it will be great to see those police station come through head to head, especially when it comes to paul ryan and mitt romney's budget plans. for seniors that single group joe biden can reach no one
when joe biden was a vp candidate in 2008 he wasn't well defined. now he has a larger than life persona to live up to. so does ryan. >> joe biden had a reputation in congress. >> now he's in the onion. >> steve schmidt says there is no sympathetic character up there with biden this time which is to say there is no sarah palin. biden will bring his proverbial none chucks and brass knuckles. >> i think literally. >> there was a lot of talk about the gender dynamics...
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. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness, and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top. >> i think that's right. i think it was well-said by both. you. joe klein, chris cillizza. tea partier and birther steve king showed up for a recent debate with some writing on his hands. his staff said he wasn't actually cheating. he just hadn't washed his hands. my question is from a previous cribbing effort? why does he have handwriting on his hand. you're supposed to use your hand to write, not write on. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese
. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness, and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top....
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he's not joe biden. he's never given in the campaign so far as passionate the way joe biden did the other night. he has to do that. he has to be as convincing, probably more. he has to look like he wants it, like he's enjoying it as much as joe biden. >> like he wants to actually be there, be in the debate. >> and wants the job. >> we've seen a shake-up of sorts in the polls here lately with governor romney gaining some ground. today's tracking poll shows that mitt romney is now lead big two points there among likely voters. the romney camp pushing it. how much success are they having with that part of the debate. with the again benn ga city stuff? >> definitely. you saw it coming into and out of that vice-presidential debate. paul ryan had the branding as this economic policy wonk and yet the first question that he faced was the administration's handling of the libyan attack and the assault on benghazi and he ended up taking the case to the vice president through the beginning of that debate and that's
he's not joe biden. he's never given in the campaign so far as passionate the way joe biden did the other night. he has to do that. he has to be as convincing, probably more. he has to look like he wants it, like he's enjoying it as much as joe biden. >> like he wants to actually be there, be in the debate. >> and wants the job. >> we've seen a shake-up of sorts in the polls here lately with governor romney gaining some ground. today's tracking poll shows that mitt romney is...
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joe biden was speaking from a lifetime of experience. you could tell that he knows the struggles and the aspirations of the middle class like the back of his hand, where paul ryan looked like somebody reading notes. i think they're running the ads because they know joe biden come dmated the conversation. >> here's something. the "washington post" editorial board is titled show me a policy. they write alas the answer lies at the heart of president obama's re-election bid. the absence of a second-term agenda. immediately after the election. until and unless he does, the only rational is the urgency of stopping the other guys. has the president given his second term agenda, patrick? and if so, what is it? do you see a priority list? >> well, there absolutely is. p president articulated it. but clearly from this stage in charlotte, north carolina, with millions of americans watching at our convention. the president talked about the ways in which by 2016 he'll create 1 million new manufacturing jobs in this country and we will double our manu
joe biden was speaking from a lifetime of experience. you could tell that he knows the struggles and the aspirations of the middle class like the back of his hand, where paul ryan looked like somebody reading notes. i think they're running the ads because they know joe biden come dmated the conversation. >> here's something. the "washington post" editorial board is titled show me a policy. they write alas the answer lies at the heart of president obama's re-election bid. the...
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joe biden has been in public life for 40 years. paul ryan is not a newcomer by any stretch of the imagination. he has seven terms in the u.s. house under his belt. i think his posture over the weekend, he went to a pumpkin patch with his family. he's trying to stay focused but trying to relaxed. one of the things etsd is his key for him is to be himself. he knows what to believe, and he needs to articulate that to the american people in the debate in kentucky on thursday. >> thank you, ron. we greatly appreciate it. joe biden is is off the campaign trail this week as he prepares for that big debate with ryan. the two men come face to face in danville, kentucky, in three days. the stakes could be higher than any other vp debate we've seen before. in fact, listen to this. "the new york times" says that david axelrod is personally overseeing biden's debate preps writing, quote, mr. biden will be counseled on how to avoid mr. obama's mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the republican ticket. it's a lot
joe biden has been in public life for 40 years. paul ryan is not a newcomer by any stretch of the imagination. he has seven terms in the u.s. house under his belt. i think his posture over the weekend, he went to a pumpkin patch with his family. he's trying to stay focused but trying to relaxed. one of the things etsd is his key for him is to be himself. he knows what to believe, and he needs to articulate that to the american people in the debate in kentucky on thursday. >> thank you,...
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first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman wryan to specifics. congressman ryan will have to reconcile his own budget plan and the rapidly evolving romney/ryan budget and tax plan. a lot of open questions there. i expect vice president biden's going to come out ready to hold his feet to the fire on specifics. and congressman ryan has other challenges, you know? he's not well-known on the national stage, so this will be a new introduction for him. and he has to pass the commander in chief threshold so there will be foreign policy questions tonight. he'll have to hold his own there. he also has to energize conservatives but also appeal to
first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman...
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. >> will joe biden have to prove he's tougher? >> we think he'll come at me like a can bonn ball. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell. mitt romney is trying to turn the momentum from his debate performance into a political tidal wave. stinging to swing state spots including today's foreign policy speech containing attacks on the president's record. during the daily fix, chris. this was mitt romney going after president obama saying he's leading from behind. i just got off a conference call the obama team put on with madeleine albright. he barely mentioned china and his mention of russia they say russia is not the greatest foreign policy challenge. when it comes to the middle east he senses vulnerability in the wake of benghazi. >> i think it's an attempt for romney to push the reset button. they put out a statement, a political statement before we knew about the death of ambassador chris stef ens that they could have handled it better but it doesn't mean they should leave the issue alone. they think the president is vulnerable. i tho
. >> will joe biden have to prove he's tougher? >> we think he'll come at me like a can bonn ball. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell. mitt romney is trying to turn the momentum from his debate performance into a political tidal wave. stinging to swing state spots including today's foreign policy speech containing attacks on the president's record. during the daily fix, chris. this was mitt romney going after president obama saying he's leading from behind. i just got off a...
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you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden has been on the national stage, ran for president twice, sitting vice president. >> ryan's right. biden is no stranger to the national stage or debate stage. >> with regard to my experience, hey, bill, 1979, i was -- i led a delegation of 19 senators negotiating the start agreement with bresh nef, involved in bosnia as the first lady and now senator clinton will tell you, i've been negotiating while you were in congress, man. i introduced the first public financing bill. if you had been around long enough -- maybe i've been around. they forget all the wonderful thing i've done here. but anyway -- >> he also sparred in this ring four years ago when he duked it out with sarah palin at the university of washington in st. louis in front of 69 million viewers. which biden will show up this week. will it be the funny man? >> editorial in the los angeles times said, in addition to his uncontrolled verbosity, biden is a gaffe machine. can you reassure voters in this country you woul
you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden has been on the national stage, ran for president twice, sitting vice president. >> ryan's right. biden is no stranger to the national stage or debate stage. >> with regard to my experience, hey, bill, 1979, i was -- i led a delegation of 19 senators negotiating the start agreement with bresh nef, involved in bosnia as the first lady and now senator clinton will tell you, i've been negotiating while you were in congress, man. i...
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i think joe biden is similarly situated. he can make a strong authoritative defense of the president's record and also take on frankly some of the things that governor romney said last week that just aren't true like his tax policies don't benefit the rich. so i think he's in a good position to make the argument and forcefully. >> now, phil, there are those moments where you've come off a debate or a speech or television broadcast and you think, oh, why didn't i say that, would have, could have, should have. back to new hampshire when you were coaching tim pawlenty and the first new hampshire debate where he previewed he was going to be tough against mitt romney and talk about obamaeny care -- >> what are you doing to me here? >> could you relate a little bit to the fact that we all expected the president to be tough and aggressive and he wasn't? and did that happen back then in your camp? >> let me just say that i think that the debates are really fundamentally important. they were very important in our primary in terms of
i think joe biden is similarly situated. he can make a strong authoritative defense of the president's record and also take on frankly some of the things that governor romney said last week that just aren't true like his tax policies don't benefit the rich. so i think he's in a good position to make the argument and forcefully. >> now, phil, there are those moments where you've come off a debate or a speech or television broadcast and you think, oh, why didn't i say that, would have,...
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joe biden will face off gong congressman paul ryan making his debut on a national debate stage. the vice president, of course, has more experience. polling shows his opponent has the advantage of popularity. a new poll shows a majority of voters view the vice president unfavorably. the congressman ryan, 40% view him unfavorably, 44% view him favorably. polls show expectations for vice president biden's performance in kentucky fairly low, perhaps an advantage for him, 40% say they expect congressman ryan will do a better job in the debate. 34% for mr. biden. as for the moderator, abc news insists there will be no conflict of interest. they revealed that barack obama attended her wedding in 1999 when a student at harvard law school. the man she married was later the head of the fcc by president obama in 2009. that is 12 years after raddatz divorced him. this is absurd, martha raddatz is known for her tough, fair reporting which is why it was no surprise to her colleagues inside and outside abc news she was chosen for this assignment. congressman ryan arrived in danville early last
joe biden will face off gong congressman paul ryan making his debut on a national debate stage. the vice president, of course, has more experience. polling shows his opponent has the advantage of popularity. a new poll shows a majority of voters view the vice president unfavorably. the congressman ryan, 40% view him unfavorably, 44% view him favorably. polls show expectations for vice president biden's performance in kentucky fairly low, perhaps an advantage for him, 40% say they expect...